REBUTTAL: How to Spot a “Pay-Triot For Profit” Con Man

This article describes how to spot a shyster who is offering “freedom solutions” that aren’t really solutions so they can take the money and run:

  1. They compartmentalize or protect key information about what they do or how they do it so that they will have a monopoly on the process. Clients aren’t allowed to know their “secret sauce”. This is the way cults and the dysfunctional hierarchies get started: withholding key information or using privileges or secrets to manipulate or control people.
  2. They keep their clients in the dark like mushrooms. Mushrooms are always in the dark and you literally have to feed them SHIT before they will grow. See:
    Murphy’s 13 Unlucky Laws for Federal Employees (OFFSITE LINK)
  3. They will not respond to more detailed questions about their processes or approach, because they don’t really want to earn their keep or your trust. Educated clients are dangerous. In fact, they will RUN from questions with comments like:

    “This conversation has gotten too convoluted and off track. _____ works … period ..civil and criminal. I have never allowed myself to be drawn into a debate such as this and I have no intention of continuing it now. I am no longer interested in participating in this conversation. Have a nice day.”
  4. They won’t document their processes or tools or provide a list of legal authorities they rely on in their approach.
  5. If information you need is available for free on another website that would render their services unnecessary, they will not mention it, sometimes even if you ask them, because revenue is their prime objective, not your empowerment and convenience.
  6. They hyper-focus on money such as:
    6.1 Debt or mortgage cancellation.
    6.2 A bond attached to your birth certificate they can’t prove exists that you can use as a free credit account. We have never seen proof of the existence of this.
    6.3 Creating bonds out of thin air and trying to use them to purchase things or “discharge” the debts that they agreed to previously.
    6.4 The fact that since the government counterfeits fiat currency that is worth nothing, that you should be able to cancel all your debts also, as if two wrongs make a right.
  7. They want nothing but gold and silver.
  8. They only recommend what they can make money on and do not refer you to others because they don’t want to lose their programmed sheep to a competitor.
  9. They will not work on an hourly basis to prove the quality of their work. Instead they want everything up front so they can “take the money and run”.
  10. They will insist on anonymity and never give you their real name or address or meet with you. That’s how the IRS operates: They use Pseudonyms. Their IRM even admitted this and when we pointed this out, they CLASSIFIED the section that admitted this!
  11. They will not provide any samples of work or indication of successful outcome for the past three clients with personal information redacted. This wouldn’t compromise client privacy, because personal information can be redacted.
  12. They will not provide case numbers and docket numbers from the public record with an indication of how they contributed to improve a case. This request would not compromise the client’s privacy, because its from the public record and can be found with case research tools.
  13. There is no method to gauge the value they add whatsoever, so they aren’t legally responsible technically for delivering anything and the consideration doesn’t really pay for anything that can be quantified. How can you hold someone responsible whose full legal name or work product you aren’t allowed to even know?
  14. They say their approach “works” without a way to define or measure “work”, thus making their self-authored testimonials meaningless.
  15. They force you to spend inordinate amounts of time finding out what they know that you aren’t allowed to know that they make money on.
  16. They may claim to be “freeing you from the government matrix” like Morpheus in “The Matrix” movie but ironically invent and promote their OWN matrix by compartmentalizing and hiding key information about their own services that would protect their revenue and enslave you to their services.

ABOUT COMPARTMENTALIZATION AND EQUIVOCATION THAT IS THE HALLMARK OF CULTS AND DYSFUNCTIONAL GOVERNMENTS

On the last item above, it’s putting lipstick on a pig to defend replacing a BIG government matrix with one’s own smaller version of the same.

Honest people call things what they are and acknowledge their own interests in every matter and how they serve those interests up front with their clients. Full disclosure and transparency and the fiduciary nature of handling money dictate that clients should know up front what they aren’t allowed to know in protecting the revenue of those they hire. If matrixes and the cults that make them up are bad, they should be bad for everyone. Not just for others. Any other approach is Phariseeical hypocrisy. Jesus hated the Pharisees primarily because of this phenomenon:
https://sedm.org/Forms/05-MemLaw/WhoWerePharisees.pdf

This is why especially in the financial field, everyone who handles money is a fiduciary of those they do so for. David in essence is doing this in a sense because he is exercising power of attorney when filing instead of showing people how to do it themselves.

The fact that you are forced to spend inordinate time discovering information that has been deliberately hidden from you by pay-triot-for-profit sophists is exactly the same problem the IRS sophists have that we fight here. Pay-triots-for-profit make a living out of breaking the government matrix and substituting their own in that regard. Healthy relationships among mature Christians don’t hide this kind of dysfunction. The metaphor for that hiding was the fig leaf in the garden that Adam and Eve put on after they at the fruit of sin. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

AVOIDING RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY

In effect, pay-triot-for-profit con men want a blank check with no measurable accountability. And of course such irresponsibility is what happened in the Garden of Eden (four times in a row) that got them kicked out, and it also at the heart of the modern socialist welfare state. This is the SAME problem as the IRS has and two wrongs don’t make a right.

“Pay-triots for Profit” act like con men. They want money up front, won’t tell you who they are, don’t want to meet, can’t prove they have had any success, wont tell you what they will do for you, won’t give any money back if they do nothing or if what they do doesn’t work. They flees from questioning like all con men do. They want us to believe they know some secret that we can only get from them (ie selling salvation). They are a clone of the catholic church, keeping everything in Latin so the laymen don’t know the truth, selling fake indulgences etc.

Pay-Triots for Profit will say “we’ve seen the results” but can never offer proof. If you are going to fork over cash, you should be able to see the results too. People telling the truth would be glad to show proof. Con men want you to trust them with no evidence. And then they get offended when you don’t believe them, so they take their ball and run away home to mommy. And they often use the excuse that they are too busy with other clients because their services are so valuable. That way you feel like you are missing out and being punished for even trying to vet them or the quality of their services.

DEALING WITH PAY-TRIOTS-FOR-PROFIT

Members are forewarned to NEVER do business with anyone like this. They ultimately will run with the money and not deliver anything in return. They give the freedom community a BAD name and you will ultimately have a bad name by doing business with them.

It’s up to our readers to decide whether they want to hire a freedom advocate to help them. We would do it per hour pay as you go and never a lump sum up front without a way to measure results and hold legally accountable.

“Pay-Triots for Profit” are only interested in themself, want to get gold/silver talents from me like a con man and then bury them along with their own head in the sand. They forget that their master will come back one day and call them a wicked and evil servant. Hebrews 13:2

If you as a reader offer freedom information, please don’t take these comments personal. We have to be brutally honest and direct about everything or we would lack credibility.

HOW SEDM AVOIDS THESE PROBLEMS

The central theme of SEDM is not AVOIDING responsibility and accountability, but SEEKING it and choosing a moral CREATOR rather than a corrupt covetous government as the object of that accountability.

We want Pay-triots-for-profit to be exposed, not protected. That is why we publish the following information to help you avoid being victimized:

  1. Hot Issues: Freedom Advocate Report Card*
  2. Resources to Rebut Private Sector Deception and False Propaganda, Liberty University Section 9
  3. Who’s Who in the Freedom Community, Form #08.009

We avoid all the problems described in this article with the following approach:

  1. We are a non-profit ministry. Any other approach would be suspect.
  2. We disclose every aspect of our own self interest so there is no equivocation or compartmentalization going on.
  3. We are brutally honest in our discussions of the subjects we cover, even to our own detriment.
  4. We avoid affiliate relationships that would financially interfere with our objectivity.
  5. We apply copy protection to everything we produce to ensure our information is not censored or distorted or stolen by those who want to commercialize it for private gain.
  6. We avoid direct financial affiliation with those with a purely secular profit motive. Profit and non-profit don’t mix well.
  7. We want people fully empowered in every area so the truth can spread rapidly like wildfire and so that the source of that truth will be trustworthy and the trust will develop rapidly without the need to dig for all the areas where there is compartmentalization going on. These considerations are why Jesus spent more time in the Bible talking about money than any other subject.

Lastly, warnings on our Contact Us page tell members NOT to contact us about “pay-triot for profit” issues like mortgage or debt cancellation. See for yourself:

Contact Us Page, Section 3: Questions or issues we are not able to address and how to find answers to your questions before contacting us
https://sedm.org/about/contact/

On the subject of this article, the Bible says:

The Character of Those Who May Dwell [have a DOMICILE, Form #05.002] with the Lord

A Psalm of David.

15 Lord, who may abide in Your tabernacle?
Who may dwell in Your holy hill [POLITICAL KINGDOM]?

He who walks uprightly,
And works righteousness,
And speaks the truth in his heart;
He who does not backbite with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor does he take up a reproach against his friend;
In whose eyes a vile person is despised,
But he honors those who fear the Lord;
He who swears to his own hurt and does not change;
He who does not put out his money at usury,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent.

He who does these things shall never be moved.

[Psalm 15, Bible, NKJV]

Responses

  1. […] The GriftThere is no sales pitch here. We just want people to learn the law and follow what they are demonstrably subject to. They are forbidden by our Member Agreement, Form #01.001 from joining for financial or commercial reasons, so there can’t be a commercial sales pitch or motivation in our case other that justice as legally defined. See:What is “Justice”?, Form #05.050People who have purely commercial motivations for learning about freedom or using our materials we refer to as “Pay-Triots For Profit”. They are discouraged from joining. See:How to Spot a “Pay-Triot For Profit” Con Man […]

  2. […] By doing they above, they are, in effect, holding the truth hostage for 20 pieces of silver, just like Judas did in the Bible while trying to LOOK like they are actually trying to help others. Such behaviors make them appear to be government moles or “pay-triot-for-profit” types. […]

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